tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post7471298320172076116..comments2023-09-22T02:08:55.225-07:00Comments on Paddle California: Kayak Review - Necky JiveBryant Burkhardthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14962650670783506022noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-26152465825102690652020-10-01T13:23:56.934-07:002020-10-01T13:23:56.934-07:00The mention of the Prijon Fly being similar to the...The mention of the Prijon Fly being similar to the RPM is a bit off. The RPM had a very traditional hull cross section - rounded nose to tail. The stern half of the Fly was fairly flat, with harder chines. This meant it was easier to surf and looser on the wave. The first boat to have this flatter stern hull profile was the Piranha Stunt Bat in the early nineties. For some reason, Dagger and Perception took a very long time to see the potential of this feature. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05691690630847943982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-12616732692260068692020-04-20T17:16:50.458-07:002020-04-20T17:16:50.458-07:00I've been looking for both a 8'10" ji...I've been looking for both a 8'10" jive and a 8'4" jive. If anyone has one that they are looking to get rid of, I'd be interested. I'm based out of the SF bay area.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05405216851794350780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-16281903716489287662019-11-26T13:35:48.801-08:002019-11-26T13:35:48.801-08:00First, great article Bryant...Looking back at my p...First, great article Bryant...Looking back at my paddling progression over the years, those old school Necky WW boats just surf really well. I still own 2 Rips, 1 Jive and 1 Zip. The Rip is one of my favorite boats for rock-garden surfing. I don't use the Jive very often because I have 2 composite surf boats, Salsa and WaterTech Speedy. I use the Zip when I travel to Hawaii, because it surfs like a demon, looks like a surfboard when packed (I check it as a surfboard for $100 oneway) and a plastic boat can take the punishment from the baggage handling monkeys. Over the years, I surfed many old school playboats Centrifuge, super ego, XXX, I3, Inazone. All of them were fun on the water. However, the Necky boats out performed them. Just as the RPM is still produced in limited numbers, the Jive (as the Rip) is another one of those timeless designs that does not get the recognition is deserves from the paddling community. Riding on a wave in a Jive is so much more exhilarating than bouncing down a wave sideways in a spud boat...<br />Oh, I prefer the Rip over the Jive because it is quicker edge to edge. The Rip is more narrow with a continuous rocker. Either boat is fantastic in the waves and great to learn ocean kayak surfing. Willyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09725602983509840471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-48639771560269086142019-08-15T20:38:41.101-07:002019-08-15T20:38:41.101-07:00I've moved backwards and sideways in my surfin...I've moved backwards and sideways in my surfing boats, from a perception dancer to a jive, to a super-ego, and back to a rip. They all have their special qualities, and I enjoy the rip on Long sloping waves, while the superego is great for spins and sharper waves. a good conclusion would be to buy as many old school kayaks as you can fit under your house, and bring a few each time you hit the beach.Paddler101https://www.blogger.com/profile/04800403836552540319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-67352338491046843632019-07-09T04:56:02.410-07:002019-07-09T04:56:02.410-07:00I own a Necky Rip. 9'3" long, flat plani...I own a Necky Rip. 9'3" long, flat planing hull, so only 4" longer than the 8'11" Jive. It's basically a surfboard with a cockpit and a slight rocker. The profile is very similar to the Jive but it's a lower volume boat because it doesn't have the stern 'camel hump' of the Jive. I am learning the boat now, which, after a Dagger Mamba, is a whole new world.Swimmeronehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18388065425202162242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-64146436878737386692018-10-22T21:56:12.997-07:002018-10-22T21:56:12.997-07:00Good to hear from you Bryant.
So you feel I may be...Good to hear from you Bryant.<br />So you feel I may be too heavy and big for the 8'4" Jive?<br /><br />I've never tried one, but I also don't want to buy it and sit too low on the water or struggle to keep the stern up.<br />I bought a piranha inazone 230 for a few bucks 5 years ago. It suffered stern sag in the surf and was so slow. I sold it ok, but I don't want to buy too small a boat again.<br /><br />Maybe I should spend a couple hundred bucks and just fix and surf my old waveski. It is fun.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01701479615029078750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-18303935951881515402018-10-22T11:18:55.194-07:002018-10-22T11:18:55.194-07:00Exactly!Exactly!Bryant Burkhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14962650670783506022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-62386676629009179632018-10-22T11:15:06.370-07:002018-10-22T11:15:06.370-07:00There's an 8'4" Jive and an 8'10&...There's an 8'4" Jive and an 8'10" Jive. At your height and weight you'd want the 8'10" and that still might be tight on your feet. You might want to look at the new crop of whitewater kayaks designed with old-school surfing in mind - Pyranha Ripper, Dagger Axiom, Liquid Logic Mullet, or Soul Waterman 303. But to be honest, all of those will feel slow and clunky compared to a waveski. A composite surf kayak will be much closer, but those tend to be expensive and rare. Good luck!Bryant Burkhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14962650670783506022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-67003918281334111872018-10-22T10:04:11.421-07:002018-10-22T10:04:11.421-07:00The fast and longer whitewater boats are great for...The fast and longer whitewater boats are great for throwing ends, multiple 360s down a wave face and changing directions and even surfing backwards on a wave. The best is doing corkscrews in a big tube and being thrown out of a tube then bouncing and spinning when you land.<br /><br />I have tried tiny new whitewater boats in the surf. They might be fun bouncing around and doing wild moves, bit they are slow and you cannot go as fast as the wave or outrun a tube. They keep you stuck in the mush of the wave, bouncing and trying to look cool.. not really surfing at all. Fun, but crappy speed with tiny boats. The longer older boats seem are definately faster and often can outrun surfboards if you know how to surf in the ocean. Also better wave acquisition than a surf board. You can chase a wave down by paddling smart, and surf twice the waves of a board in a given time. Hurricane waves that keep sad surfers on shore can be had as you punch through waves or sky over them just as they peak. This is why a longish, mostlt flat, sharp chined white water boat is great for surfing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01701479615029078750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-79663132352540144532018-10-22T09:55:05.204-07:002018-10-22T09:55:05.204-07:00Hi. I learned white water in a savage Scorpion in...Hi. I learned white water in a savage Scorpion in 1997. Then onto the Ocoee, nanty, chatooga, etc in a smaller 7'8"Eskimo Quadro. Loved it!<br /><br />But it wasn't very fast in the ocean compared to my now-beat-up waveski. <br /><br />Back then, I used to want a jive. I recently found one locally for sale but it is 8'4". It has less volume then the Eskimo, but is 6" longer. Do you think I will have fun in it, or be disappointed after throwing around a waveski?<br /><br />I am 195lbs and 6' tall. Size 12 shoes. Watcha think?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01701479615029078750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-20762619716912805392014-02-17T08:02:56.738-08:002014-02-17T08:02:56.738-08:00It's at least a ten year old boat - that's...It's at least a ten year old boat - that's when they stopped making them. If you're selling, it's worth what you can get for it; if you're buying, it's worth what you're willing to pay. They do have good plastic that tends to hold up well, but how it was used/stored will make a big difference on what condition it's in. Most seem to go somewhere in the $200-300 range if they're in decent shape.Bryant Burkhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14962650670783506022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-87866577897517285132014-02-15T13:43:15.769-08:002014-02-15T13:43:15.769-08:00What do you think a used one is worth?What do you think a used one is worth?Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06366328248421128100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-91446638078917589942014-01-10T06:26:31.930-08:002014-01-10T06:26:31.930-08:00Glad to hear it. Short boats just do so much more ...Glad to hear it. Short boats just do so much more in the surf!Bryant Burkhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14962650670783506022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-69098924127105423242014-01-09T22:36:03.353-08:002014-01-09T22:36:03.353-08:00Great tip. I'm a sea kayaker, been taking my s...Great tip. I'm a sea kayaker, been taking my sea kayak into the waves, which works great for everything except turning. Picked up a Jive after reading your article, learned to roll, and having 20x more fun now. Absolutely love the thing.Wrybreadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14775507839804806487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-56610093665041483472013-10-20T21:57:20.769-07:002013-10-20T21:57:20.769-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15546080718253713483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-56109578266692315452013-10-09T15:48:35.404-07:002013-10-09T15:48:35.404-07:00Thanks, Bryant! Thanks, Bryant! booger3https://www.blogger.com/profile/01860344988860734133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-40498683778131023862013-10-08T18:11:24.268-07:002013-10-08T18:11:24.268-07:00I never paddled a Rip but it's pretty similar....I never paddled a Rip but it's pretty similar. I believe it's longer than the Jive and maybe not as responsive. They made some composite ones that were pretty sweet for surfing big waves. If it's cheap, it will definitely be worth the money.Bryant Burkhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14962650670783506022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5347463840298564760.post-6955676287836879962013-10-08T13:04:01.881-07:002013-10-08T13:04:01.881-07:00Thanks for the great review! I could get my hands ...Thanks for the great review! I could get my hands on an old Necky Rip for cheap, but wonder if it really compares to the Jive in the surf... any experience with the Rip, too? <br />Thanks, Chrisbooger3https://www.blogger.com/profile/01860344988860734133noreply@blogger.com